William de Say Lord de Saye

  General Notes:

~Weis' Ancestral Roots . . ., 8th Edition, 97:27, given as father of Beatrice de Say, wife of Geoffrey Fitz Piers. ¹⁶⁰

  Noted events in his life were:

• Background Information. ⁷²³
The grandson and namesake of William de Say married the divorced wife of Hugh Talbot, Beatrix de Mandeville, who lived to be the sole heiress of that renowned house. She was the mother of two sons, William and Geoffrey.

~The Battle Abbey, Roll, Vol. III, p. 127

• Background Information. ⁷⁸⁴
William de Say, Baron Say, married Beatrix, daughter of William and sister and heir to Geoffrey Manderville, Earl of Essex, and by her, who died in 1201, was the fater of two sons:

William de Say, who died in his father's lifetime, leaving two daughters, Beatrice, who first married Geoffrey Fitz-Peers, Earl of Essex and second, John Baron of Wahull; and their second daughter, Maud who married William de Bocland.

Geoffrey de Say, who had an only son and heir, also named Geoffrey, by Lettice his wife, daughter of Walkelin Maminot and Julian, sister of Aubrey de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and heir to her father Walkelin de Maminot

~Collins's Peerage of England, Vol. VII, p. 16

• Background Information. ¹⁴¹
William de Say I is chiefly known as an associate of Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st Earl of Essex, in his last revolt, with Hugh Bigod, against Stephen in 1144. In the 2nd charter of the Empress Maud to the Earl, issued between Christmas 1141 and the end of June 1142, William was given a special grant of his father's lands. According to Henry of Huntingdon, he was killed with the Earl in Aug. 1144 when, after occupying Ramsey Abbey, they were attacking Stephen's fort at Burwell, Cambs. but there is evidence that William survived the Earl.

William married Beatrice, divorced wife of Hugh Talebot, sister of Earl Geoffrey above named, and daughter of William de Mandeville. The Earl is said to have brought her to England for the marriage. She lived to a great age and died on 19 Apr, in or before 1197, and was buried at Walden Abbey.

~Cokayne's Complete Peerage, 2nd Edition, (Say), Vol. XI, pp. 464-465

William married Beatrix de Mandeville, daughter of William de Mandeville and Unknown ^141,160,723.^,784 (Beatrix de Mandeville was born about 1105 in Mandeville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died 19 Apr (in or about) 1197 in Rickling, Essex, England ¹⁴¹ and was buried In or about 1197 in Walden Abbey, Essex, England ¹⁴¹.)