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Sir Robert Thorpe Knight
(Abt 1294-1330)
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Robert Baynard
(Abt 1292-)
Lucy Atte Eshe
(Abt 1295-)
Sir Edmund de Thorpe Knight
(1319-Bef 1393)
Joan Baynard
Sir Edmund de Thorpe Knight, Baron
(Abt 1348-1418)


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Joan de Northwode

Sir Edmund de Thorpe Knight, Baron

  • Born: Abt 1348, Ashwellthorpe, Depwade, Norfolk, England
  • Marriage: Joan de Northwode 141,1229
  • Died: Jun 1418, Seige of Louviers, Nomandy, France about age 70 141
  • Buried: Ashwellthorpe, Depwade, Norfolk, England 141

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• Background Information. 141
Edmund de Thorpe, Lord Thorpe, son and heir, was never summoned to Parliament, but was Knight of the shire for Norfolk, 1397-98 and 1407. He was a Commissioner of array, March 1392, to enquire into the wastage of lands, 1400, and de wallis et fossatis 1408, all in Norfolk. Being retained to stay with the King for life, he was granted a pension of 50 marks per annum 7 Jan 1392/3, increased to 100 marks by Henry IV, 22 Nov and 6 Dec 1399, out of the issues of the town of King's Lynn, and confirmed by Henry V, 30 Sep 1413. In April 1399 he had protection, going with Richard II on his disastrous journey to Ireland. Having accompanied Henry V to France in 1417, he was appointed a Commissioner of array there, 27 Oct 1417, and a Commissioner to redress infractions of the truce between the King and the Duke of Burgundy, 28 Apr 1418.

Sir Edmund de Thorpe is said to have married, 1stly, 6 Oct 1368, Margaret, daughter of Richard de la Rivere.

Sir Edmund de Thorpe married,? 2ndly, between 28 JuIy 1387 and 3 March 1387/8, Joan, widow of Roger (de Scales), 4th Lord Scales (who died 25 Dec 1386), daughter of John de Northwoord. Joan died 3 January 1414/5 and was buried at Ashwellthorpe.

Sir Edmund de Thorpe is said to have died at the siege of Louviers (June 1418) in Normandy, and he certainly died s.p.m. before 31 Aug 1422, being buried at Ashwellthorpe. M.I.

At his death the Barony of Thorpe (on the assumption that it existed) fell, according to modern doctrine, into abeyance between his 2 daughters and coheirs by his 2nd wife:

Joan, married, 1stly, Sir Robert Echingham, and 2ndly, Sir John Clifton, of Old Buckenham, Norfolk, who died 1447. She survived him, but died s.p.s.;

Isabel, married Philip Tylney and died 10 Nov 1436, being buried at Ashwellthorpe. M.I. Philip Tylney, who became a Canon Residentiary of Lincoln Cathedral, died 30 Oct 1453 and was buried with her. M.I. Their 1st son and heir, Frederick Tylney, of Boston, Lincs, married Elizabeth, daughter of Lawrence Cheney, of Ditton, co. Cambridge, and had an only daughter and heir, Elizabeth.

On the deaths of Frederick Tylney and of Joan, his aunt, both abovenamed, Ashwellthorpe and the rest of the Thorpe inheritance vested in Elizabeth last named, as heir of entail, before her 1st marriage. She also became entitled de jure to the Barony of Thorpe, as sole representative thereof.

Elizabeth married, 1stly, Sir Humphrey Bourchier (son and heir apparent of Sir John Bourchier [Lord Berners]), who died v.p., being slain at Barnet, 14 April 1471.

Eliazabeth married, 2ndly, as his 1st wife, 30 April 1471, Thomas (Howard) Duke of Norfolk (so created 1 Feb 1513/4, after her death), and died, as Countess of Surrey, 4 April 1497.

~Cokayne's Complete Peerage, 2nd Edition, Vol. XIIA, pp. 723-725

• Background Information. 1229
On an inquisition taken April 16, in the 4th of Edward III. Robert Baynard was found to die seized of it for life, by the courtesy of England, being the inheritance of Lucia his wife, late deceased, held of the Bishop of Norwich of his manor of North Elmham, by the service of paying at the end of every 32 weeks 10d. castle guard.

In the 16th of Edward III. it appears that Sir Edmund de Thorp, lord of Ashwell-Thorp, held this manor in right of Joan his wife, sister and heir of Thomas Baynard, by virtue of a fine levied in the 6th of the said King: in this family it remained till Isabel, daughter and coheir of Sir Edmund de Thorp, (the last heir male of the family, being killed in the wars of France, about the end of King Henry V.) brought it by marriage to Philip Tilney, Esq. of Boston in Lincolnshire, whose son Frederick, by Elizabeth his wife, daughter of Lawrence Cheyney, Esq. of Ditton in Cambridgeshire, left a daughter and heir, Elizabeth, who married Sir Humphrey Bourchier, eldest son of John Lord Berners, slain at Barnet Field on Easter day, 1471, on the part of King Edward IV.

~An Essay Towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Vol. IX, pp. 471-477

Edmund married Joan de Northwode, daughter of Sir John Northwode Knight and Joan Hertford 141.,1229 (Joan de Northwode was born about 1360 in Shalford, Essex, England, died on 3 Jan 1414 in England 141 and was buried in 1414 in Ashwellthorpe, Depwade, Norfolk, England 141.)

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